tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post1334762762574982217..comments2024-01-25T00:38:08.564-05:00Comments on The Zenformation Professional: THE NOOSE NEVER CAME BEFORE THE LYNCH MOB: Confronting Historic Symbols of Hatred and Injustice Shouldn't Start with CensorshipThe ZenFo Prohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05132805758799453850noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-51210390511736568512008-01-16T09:50:00.000-05:002008-01-16T09:50:00.000-05:00My studio mate and I were actually talking about n...My studio mate and I were actually talking about nooses in art last night. This was stirred up by a forum on racial diversity on the campus of East Carolina University. At this forum meeting a speaker brought up the idea that nooses in public places should be seen as domestic terror and considered a felony instead of a misdemeanor. <BR/><BR/>First, I think it's really broad to see every singleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-90441940956014848042007-11-08T22:44:00.000-05:002007-11-08T22:44:00.000-05:00Anon:Well, rather than simply answer a question ab...Anon:<BR/>Well, rather than simply answer a question about an unrelated scenario, let's add another couple of layers to that "drawings by the no-good child-molestin' artiste" example, fuel for reason's fire:<BR/><BR/>Say you are that artist accused of producing the works you just described. <BR/><BR/>Do you feel you'd have a right to a fair trial, to be charged with the breaking of an actual, The ZenFo Prohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05132805758799453850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-32343118970830409742007-11-08T22:40:00.000-05:002007-11-08T22:40:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.The ZenFo Prohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05132805758799453850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-67140002429525766762007-11-08T19:59:00.000-05:002007-11-08T19:59:00.000-05:00What if the same people had very realisctic drawin...What if the same people had very realisctic drawings of naked children being brutally molested, would you still think it was unjustified censorship if the "art" was not permited at the university.<BR/><BR/>btw I don't the teachers should have forced the students to remove their work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-88370118539339737152007-11-08T10:02:00.000-05:002007-11-08T10:02:00.000-05:00Seize:well, I thought you were dead and gone there...Seize:<BR/>well, I thought you were dead and gone there, hon. Put you back in the ol' Blogroll...<BR/><BR/>Yep. The value of expression is not that we are necessarily comfortable with the views of others, but that we all have the ability to express ourselves.<BR/><BR/>Pia:<BR/>The painting you're talking about is Christ Ofili's <I>The Virgin Mary</I>, a work that utilized elephant dung (though The ZenFo Prohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05132805758799453850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-79585459692678210012007-11-08T08:56:00.000-05:002007-11-08T08:56:00.000-05:00how can you f all ppl defend NOOSES as art??? that...how can you f all ppl defend NOOSES as art??? that's just disgusting. there is such a thing as limits to free speech you know. the president did the right thing and i think you should consider taking down this before you get into trouble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-61985131155647558222007-11-07T21:17:00.000-05:002007-11-07T21:17:00.000-05:00Awesome post. I'm glad you got off the fence. Spli...Awesome post. I'm glad you got off the fence. Splinters can hurt. ;)Stephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09486157834509821905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-41788504867629432822007-11-07T18:37:00.000-05:002007-11-07T18:37:00.000-05:00Jason this was brilliantly written. I agreed with...Jason this was brilliantly written. I agreed with the beginning totally<BR/><BR/>My intense passion for The First Amendment was fueled in grad school for poli sci many a moon ago by professors who did write the books and would scream and make sure we understood every aspect of all five parts<BR/><BR/>There was an exhibit in NY in 99 at the Brooklyn Museum--very famous--forget the name--feces on Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-23634149967534370142007-11-07T17:05:00.000-05:002007-11-07T17:05:00.000-05:00I gotta say I'm with you on this one. "Loving free...I gotta say I'm with you on this one. <BR/>"Loving free speech is harder than it looks"...but nothing worth doing is easy.<BR/>Keep saying what you want, and I'll keep listening!<BR/><BR/>I could have used a teacher like Dr. M, but then we probably all could!SeizeTheNitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00709872464737427389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-43670749054032120762007-11-06T13:24:00.000-05:002007-11-06T13:24:00.000-05:00Mike:Lol, that's actually one of the criticisms he...Mike:<BR/>Lol, that's actually one of the criticisms here, by instructors, of the university bitchslap - it's already hard enough to get students to actively engage in classroom debates for fear of being shot down, so... now they have to be afraid of being dressed down by administration, too???<BR/><BR/>Curiosity:<BR/>Heh, yeah. Nothing like a fun holiday, huh?<BR/><BR/>Xbox:<BR/>It really is The ZenFo Prohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05132805758799453850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-7075066736347803252007-11-06T11:48:00.000-05:002007-11-06T11:48:00.000-05:00Oh fuck. I voted for that guy.The phrase "free so...Oh fuck. I voted for that guy.<BR/><BR/>The phrase "free society" doesn't seem to be well comprehended, does it? You could almost call it doublethink.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17915186427167408768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-7899069601142091592007-11-06T08:05:00.000-05:002007-11-06T08:05:00.000-05:00you know its funny. they made such a stink about i...you know its funny. they made such a stink about it in the email and i don't think anybody really noticed it except those who wanted to see something scandalous. at first i was glad they had to take it down but yea seeing the picture on the front page of the student last week made me wonder what right the president had to humiliate student artists publicly .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-70436942442741564182007-11-05T05:01:00.000-05:002007-11-05T05:01:00.000-05:00"Loving free speech is harder than it looks." Yeah..."Loving free speech is harder than it looks." Yeah, unfortunately thats true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-9839777123884033862007-11-05T02:21:00.000-05:002007-11-05T02:21:00.000-05:00Sigh, and to think Halloween was meant for little ...Sigh, and to think Halloween was meant for little ones to ignite their monstrous imagination and sweet toothes.Heidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13745459878506323399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-4017631662120138292007-11-04T20:57:00.000-05:002007-11-04T20:57:00.000-05:00Have you tried to get an actual debate going in a ...Have you tried to get an actual debate going in a class? If I bring up religion, sexuality, politics, or anything more thought provoking than beer brands and HALO scores, everybody just clams up and starts looking at each other through lowered lids because they are so worried about disagreeing with someone else. <BR/><BR/>It might have something to do with the fact that no matter what side theyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-24327048855925057342007-11-03T16:35:00.000-04:002007-11-03T16:35:00.000-04:00G:Great example there, man. An object or word or p...G:<BR/>Great example there, man. An object or word or phrase alone usually does not constitute the incitement of an actual hostile or illegal action. Intent and context play vital roles in how and when speech crosses the line...<BR/><BR/>Using Liz's example above, the old "scream fire in a crowded movie theater" example, one is generally protected if that scream is an actual warning of an actual The ZenFo Prohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05132805758799453850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-49934725728524389152007-11-03T16:20:00.001-04:002007-11-03T16:20:00.001-04:00Xmichra:Actually, Canada, too, has its free expres...Xmichra:<BR/>Actually, Canada, too, has its free expression v. common good fences.<BR/><BR/>While the Charter was, heh, written with the idea of codifying things in a less confusing, more detailed manner than the U.S. Bill of Rights, the results have been just about the same in terms of the legal wrangling, political reaction and manipulation(the Conservatives up yonder were partly unified over The ZenFo Prohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05132805758799453850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-2471948340833345202007-11-03T16:20:00.000-04:002007-11-03T16:20:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.The ZenFo Prohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05132805758799453850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-20831543228788727312007-11-03T15:06:00.000-04:002007-11-03T15:06:00.000-04:00Freedom of speech is limited ... although the line...Freedom of speech is limited ... although the lines do blur when it comes to artistic display.<BR/><BR/>Most of the time, the point of the display is forgotten in the wake of the desperate need to adhere to an extreme form of PC by those who either (a) do not understand the issues, or (b) are not personally comfortable with the issues, which usually stems from (a) to begin with.<BR/><BR/>A Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-21564091304792323782007-11-03T11:36:00.000-04:002007-11-03T11:36:00.000-04:00liz - it matters not where it came from. the point...liz - it matters not where it came from. the point is, it has been called a christmas tree for so long, that changing it makes no sense. what makes even less sense is being offended by a tree which has no christian value because it is called a christmas tree, and placating it as a holiday tree to make everyone docile. it's PC run amuck.Xmichrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640935280209026338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-83528519458473825722007-11-03T08:01:00.000-04:002007-11-03T08:01:00.000-04:00Jason,I understand what you're saying, but freedom...Jason,<BR/>I understand what you're saying, but freedom of speech is not absolute. Based on the fact that you cited those cases I'm sure you know that. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre and there is such a thing as Equal Protection.<BR/><BR/>Still, I think what you said in this post is quite sensible.<BR/><BR/>And to the person who mentioned Christmas trees in the comments, those treesLizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06366539087326081572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-12567872515699517102007-11-03T00:49:00.000-04:002007-11-03T00:49:00.000-04:00I totally disagree with you no matter that you wri...I totally disagree with you no matter that you write it so well.<BR/>I am however too full of wine to argue.<BR/>I came to solicit votes for my Weblog award nomination - info at my blog.<BR/>I also wish you'd get a full feed so on the rare days I am physically at work I could read you on my reader.;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12678903.post-7049337579403184882007-11-02T18:22:00.000-04:002007-11-02T18:22:00.000-04:00For once, i have no idea what to say. Not because ...For once, i have no idea what to say. Not because i ride on a fence or walk on it, or even look at the darn ting. But because i am conflicted with that law of yours (the US not you). Freedom of speech was a tricky little minx that your country decided would make things easier.. and in every thing i have ever read it has made it so much harder. <BR/><BR/>I can understand your passion for the Xmichrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640935280209026338noreply@blogger.com